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gillbuster |
Stunted Fish??? any suggestions???? |
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Have fished a favorite pond (Wompatuck, 125 acres) for years in Hanson, MA. Unfortuantley, the last couple of years I have noticed that the size of all the fish (Gills, Crappie, Perch) I have been catching recently have been getting significantly smaller, 4-6" range. This pond use to have real respectable size fish. There are hardly any bass, pickerel at all to be found now and numerous small fish are all over the lake. Also this year there has been higher number of White bass in the lake, which are the only fish with any size 10-12". I have alway found white bass to be more aggressive. It is ashame, because this pond use to be a great fishery and one of my favorites spots. I can't figure it out. Are too many people harvesting the larger fish and keeping bass, not enough predator fish to keep the lake balanced? Have any of you have this happen in you local area? This is a shallow lake 6-12" deep with plenty of structure, although the milfoil is starting to take hold of the lake in some areas. Thought this board might have an idea of the reason of this...
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JeffSod |
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John it seems to me the states answer to this problem in the past has been to introduce pike or some such predators and to encourage keeping the white bass which do seem to take over lakes. |
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ohiotuber |
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John,
I have fished small waters almost exclusively for over 50 years. Two things I have seen when ponds go downhill... 1) Underharvesting of gills, crappie, & bullheads, and/or overharvesting of bass. I do NOT keep bass at all or larger (over 8") gills. Try fishing it HARD for gills for this year & next...do not release any panfish & do not keep any bass & see what happens. 2) The absolute RUINATION of 3 old favorite ponds has been the stocking of too many grass carp. I spoke with an Ohio DNR officer about this, & he said far too many pond owners stock more than the State recommends, resulting in a pond devoid of weeds, which really depletes a natural food source (ie scuds, etc) for gills. It also eliminates cover. Mike |
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bill0215 |
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what they've done in NYC lakes is to add pickeral to the mix. That and a LM bass population second to none on Long Island.
we have a good lake for panfishing and it is all catch & release. Bill |
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spinzo |
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Another problem with grass carp is that they'll root around in spawning beds, killing eggs before they have a chance to even hatch. Most bass just aren't big enough to drive a carp off.
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Clyde |
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Your state "Game & Fish" Commission -- or what ever it is call in your state -- should be consulted. They will come and do a survey of the lake and it's fish. Then make recommendations to "balance" the lake.
In His Love, Clyde |
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TXTrout |
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Fish Fry.
Robert.
The trout, the whole trout, and nothing but the trout. So help me Cod. |
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Clyde |
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Is this your lake? Your property? If so you may consider the below options:
1. Sounds like you need preditor fish, bass, pike, catfish, etc. Consult your State Fish agency. The lake needs "balance." 2. There may be O2 depletion. Less than 4 ppm will kill and stunt fish. You may have too much decomposition of natural materials, woods, hay, or lake weeds dying off. All these change the water chemistry and affect everything in the water. Add aerator, or aggetators. 3. Ken's Hatchery [Ga.] book recommends adding Potassium Permanganate --for oxidation of organic loads. You may consult them at www.kensfish@usa.com or by phone. If you don't own or control this body of water -- talk to the owner about the problem. He may not be aware of it. If it's public land -- usually your hands are tied, because it is difficult to get gov. or counties, etc. to spend extra money on "Fish." Hope this helps..... KEEP YOUR LINE WET. In His Love, Clyde |
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BigBluegiller |
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Go to FAOL and read Rick Zeiger's idea's on growing bigger gills in the ponds he fishes. But, if you do things his way, make sure you have the owners
permission. The above comments go hand in hand with his methods.
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